#KWKhaldi

Prof. Pino's first semester was the fall of 1992. I, a freshman journalism major had no idea what I was getting into when I walked into (likely the same) Bowman Hall lecture for his "Civ I" class.
I thought he was just "quirky" the way he'd give a good chunk of his lecture to the stage floor, or to the walls around us. I figured he "must've been really smart" when he would stop mid-sentence to giggle at some thought he'd have that he didn't share.
Looking back, his required reading of the Upanishads wasn't right for a history class. Despite it illustrating the history of ancient India, I think he could've came up with something better. Of course, when his exams were heavily into the interpretation of a religious text, many in the class were reserved. Of course, it never dawned on him that all the times he said "You'll be seeing this when you're seniors" like he assumed we were all history majors, it really frosted us. Some seniors knocking it off as a final LER were spending more time on that then classes in their major!
Simply put, I hope that illustrates that Prof. Pino has a history of living in his own version of reality that's not afraid to be disconnected. While the open mind might call it "bold" and "intellectually exploratory," I would seriously question if he is qualified to give a basic, objective overview that allows students to make up their own minds - a true mark of an educated mind.

Pino showed his true face. It is the Islamic clerics and academics that perpetuate this religious obligation: "Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you." Hamas: No Muslim shall rest until the banner of Islam flies over every inch of the land.(that is also a form of education) There are currently 28 conflicts and border wars around the world today involving repressive Islamic regimes. Muslims, Muslim leaders, and Muslim press rarely blame Muslims for what Muslims do. No one is more critical of American politics than Americans. Attempt to find an Islamist who is critical of political Islam, its methods, Sharia law. Jews believe that all righteous men will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Many Christians teach that if you do not accept Jesus, you will not get into heaven. Muslims teach that if you do not accept Islam you are not getting in. This is also education.

This is exactly the kind of hateful talk that isn't needed. You know that there are millions of peace-loving Muslims in this world - just look at Ishmael Khaldi. Read between the lines and don't contribute to the violent rhetoric like Professor Pino. It's the last thing that's going to help this situation.
Pino doesn't want us dead because of his religion; he wants us dead because he has a fanatical interpretation of his religion and associates himself with people who are like-minded. The politically correct want anybody but him teaching our kids...it would be hypocritical to support open-mindedness and then support Pino, and you know it. But I'm sure you're looking for any excuse to turn this into a political issue and bash the American left and center. Because you also know that this has absolutely nothing to do with the President of the United States. Pino was spewing his bullshit well before President Obama took office (in fact, his major tirades started in the Bush administration), and this is once again, not at all a political issue. The fact of the matter is that Pino is just straight crazy.

Israeli airstrike kills six Gazans Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:28PM GMT http://www.presstv.ir/detail/207275.html

He is an Islamist. There is no moderate Islam, only Islam.

He simply could not control his Mosque made seething hate for the west, and Israel. The politically correct want him teaching our kids, as he is the most destructive influence they could find.

Who can be surprised? How can you fire someone who based on his "religion" who simply wants you all dead? Not the left, or politically correct.

One day he will act out this hate, and when he does, like the FT hood jihadist did, no one will be allowed to speak out, or to have have any idea why. Islam works to silence us. Watch Erik Holder try to cut ant terrorist funding.

We desperately need a new president! Dept of Jihad chief. Homeland security chief.
All the Obamites will be gone after the next election, if we are to have hope.

I am appaled that we put up with another potential threat these are people that pose harm to this country and to the reputation of a fine University. fire him then get him deported.

The question asked was, "Can Pino be fired for his actions?"

Here is the response:

"In my opinion, as a Professor, and as a student of the law and Constitution, I would have to say,"yes", even without seeing his contract. Explanation follows next paragraph.

This case of the Cuban is strikingly similar to the Irvine case, which ended in guilty verdicts for all but one (I believe) of the defendants.

From my experience, most employment contracts in the education business demand adherence to a Code of Ethics, to which the newly - contracted employee stipulates.

Had I engaged in behavior even remotely like Pino's I would have been 86d, probably by the end of classes that day."

This has to be embarrasing for this university; to have a prof as such employed or should I say still employed is a grotesque reflection on it's academic and moral character.We are just floored up here in Canada ;that this man actually teaches in your institution or am I misunderstanding something?

Kent State - FIRE the insane nutcase Muslim Jihadist Terrorist Pino. Send him back to the Crapistan Middle East where he belongs. He taints Kent State and the USA. Get rid of him.

Hey Pino - Writing your Mohammedan propaganda under the nic of "truth."

MUSLIMS ARE THE JIHADISTS. ISLAM IS THE ONLY "RELIGION" THAT HAS MASS-MURDERING JIHAD AS IT'S PRIMARY TENET. BRAVO ISRAEL! KEEP DEFENDING YOURSELF AGAINST THE MASS-MURDERING TERRORISTS MUSLIMS!

Hey Pino - You're a piece of shit. Kent State should fire your ass but they're too cowardly to do it. You suck, Pino. Go live in Yemen where you belong. Get out of our country you insane Muslim nutcase.

BRAVO ISRAEL! THE ONLY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE BENIGHTED MUSLIM MIDDLE EAST.

obvious troll is obvious.

Did anyone ever tell you that the question of Statehood was resolved with the 1947 U.N. partition plan (a Jewish State and an Arab State living side by side) (the partition plan never mentions Palestinians. However, six Arab armies invaded the newly formed Jewish State, in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to destroy it. It is ironic that Palestinian Arabs, seek statehood now via a path they have rejected for Israel all these years.

The Koran recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled. Prophecy or Fantasy, all three religions have it in their collective books, and it has been a reality in your life time. Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by all three ancient Biblical texts; Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

Under the UN Rules of War: "Anyone" who "specifically" targets non-combatants and civilian populations are no longer subject to protection under these Rules. That goes for Mladic, Hamas, Hezbollah or anyone else whose ambitions are to target civilian populations. This is why Israel can ignore peaceful UN Resolutions when its civilians are being specifically targeted for attacked. Every rocket fired into Israel is an Act of War, and every Palestinian knows there will be a known response.

Don't speak for other Kent State students. I first of all highly doubt that you have respect for the Jewish community based on the way that you foam at the mouth with rhetoric over Israel. Second of all, you can not possibly speak for other students here.

Yes, you are indeed still spewing bullshit. And I might just have to add overreaching generalizations to that list, as well: "Israelis are the true jihadists. Israelis are the true extremists." Talk like that is destructive and unreasonable, and I hope you know it. I think the whole point that "Real Truth" is trying to make here is that people need to do their research, not generalize entire populations, and not compartmentalize this conflict into black and white rhetoric. Don't pretend to know about the Mossad from wikipedia and some news articles - we'll never know the whole truth just as we'll never know the whole truth about the CIA or the KGB. The point is that both sides need to take blame and both sides need to take responsibility for their actions, but blaming violence solely on the Israelis and furthermore calling them terrorists and war criminals is destructive, and more to the point, completely erroneous. History has taught us that this kind of thinking is quite possibly the most harmful.

Those authorized to captain the flotilla ships announced to the world that they intended to breach Israel's weapons blockade. The San Remo Manual on International Law - #67 Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they: (a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband OR breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.

You conveniently forget that Hamas and others have declared war on Israel decades ago, and have a Charter which clearly calls for the complete destruction of the Jewish State. You conveniently forget that every rocket fired into Israel, every suicide bomber on public transportation, and every sniper shooting at a school bus is an act of War that calls for a response. There are 28 other conflicts and border wars in the world today involving repressive Islamic regimes. Why the fixation on the tiny Jewish State?

I am one of many Kent State students who support the international jewish community but condemn the actions of the state of Israel and any other state that violates international law.

The Truth,

Tell us the truth.

Are you Professor Pino posting under a pseudonym??

Israel sanctions terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

Remember that time when Mossad was caught in Dubai? With all of those fake passports?

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/dubai-assassination-has-hallmarks-of-mossad/

Israelis are the true jihadists. Israelis are the true extremists.

I'm assuming you are a neo-con douchebag. So here you go. I've quoted a news source that breaks it down into your unintelligible 'MERICA babble.

"UNITED NATIONS – Last year's Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla was "excessive and unreasonable""

"the killing of eight Turkish activists and a Turkish-American was "unacceptable."

"failing to use "non-violent options"

"strenuous efforts should be made to prevent the occurrence of such incidents in the future,"

"The intentions of the flotilla were humanitarian and participants "resisted for their own protection"

SOURCE: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...nd-turkey/

AM I STILL SPEWING BULLSHIT?

NICE TRY MOSSAD.

ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE AGAINST PALESTINE.

Why isn't the UN in a neutral country? If any other country pulled stunts like Israel, the US would invade them in a matter of seconds.

I kid you not. Do a little research before you go spewing bullshit.
But please go ahead with that. I'm assuming the banks and television news stations are all run by Jews and that President Obama is a pawn of the Zionist regime, too? You're starting to sound a little like Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and his cronies...

Legal under UN Law? You've got to be kidding me. The UN is ran by the US and Israel.

Professor Pino is quite ignorant of facts about Israel entirely but quite prepared to repeat anti-semitic and anti-Israel comments it would appear. Are teaching faculty not required to do any research? I don't think free speech extends to teaching false hoods, screaming death threats, and shaming a university which is all that he achieved. the UN Report found Israel had the right to defend its territory and board the Turkish ship which was also proven not to be full of humanitarian supplies but arms and some of the people on board to be Islamists who were committed to Jihad and martyrdom. Does Pino read nothing but his own propaganda? Israel has lent its expertise on the ground in Sri Lanka after the tsunami,in Haiti after the earthquake, in Japan after the tsunami, and even in St. Louis after Katrina. "From whence cometh my help?" is answered frequently--from Israel and of course they would be first to offer to help Turkey. Israel is a multi-racial country, gay friendly, and democractic with democratic institutions. Students are entitled to learn the truth and not the lies and rant of Pino.

Hey, remember when you can't get your damn facts straight? Read the Palmer Report that was commissioned by the UN that found the flotilla to be a dangerous and reckless act which needlessly escalated conflict. The same report that also found the IHH and other organizers of the flotilla had planned violent resistance against soldiers including the use of guns, knives, deck chairs, and iron pipes. The report also happened to find Israel's naval blockade of Gaza to be legal under international law. Take a look at the other five ships in the flotilla and what happened to them. They were boarded and the captains and crews spoke with the soldiers to agree to be towed into Israel. Their cargo was unloaded, searched for weapons, and then transferred via land crossing into the Gaza Strip. The exchange was peaceful, and not one person was hurt. On the other hand, those "civilians" on the Mavi Marmara were of one nationality: Turkish; and if you honestly think that they were unarmed we might have a bigger problem on our hands than a professor who can't keep his violent fantasies to himself. Read a book and do your research before you start posting stupid shit on news sites. People like you are almost as dangerous as Pino...spreading your ignorance and purporting to know what you most definitely don't.

Hey guys remember when the Israelis boarded that aid flotilla and murdered all of those unarmed innocents of many different nationalities?

Pino began to question how Khaldi could justify speaking of foreign aid given from Israel to countries like Turkey, when that aid was financed by “blood money that came from the deaths of Palestinian children and babies.”
Pino may be repeating the Donald Bostrom Aftonbladet 2009 blood libel which alleged that Israel harvests human organs.

Does anyone have any evidence as to how good or bad a professor this guy is? We should be judging if he should be fired on his classroom performance and not his behavior at a public meeting.

"America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms."

Last year at UC/Irvine eleven members of the Muslim Student Association took it upon themselves to aggressively and relentlessly interrupt Ambassador Oren's speech at that university. The student's actions were so egregious that legal action was taken against them and they were found guilty of several charges.

What Professor Pino did is not dissimilar to what the Irvine 11 were found guilty of, but in his instance it is arguably even more egregious, for he is an adult AND a tenured professor and should know the rules governing civil discourse.

The administration needs to take legal action against this loose cannon before things get worse. By doing so they will both be doing the right thing while also protecting Kent against legal actions taken against the institution. By not doing anything the administration is simply hiding their head in the sand while allowing professors to break standard codes of conduct without so much as a second glance. By doing nothing they are opening Pandora's Box.

It is impossible to believe that Pino is sane much less competent to teach.

It is impossible to believe that he did not breach several clauses in his contract with Kent by shouting out the things he did.

The administration needs to act and act fast. This man cannot be allowed to continue his tenure at Kent. He is an embarrassment to hemself (which no one should care about short of his family), but more importantly he is a blemish and embarrassment to Kent. If the amdinistration ignores this incident then it is they who are ultimately culpable for this man's unbridled predjudice and hatred.

This racist, hate mongering and possible jihadist, should be terminated immediately!!!!!

Hey "truth" - You've got it backwards. The Jew-hating Muslims ("Palestinians") are committing genocide against the Jews in Israel.

Israel - the only civilized country in the benighted Muslim Middle East. Muhammed is a false prophet and you're a brainwashed Mohammedan. Go live in Yemen, why don't you? Get out of our Judeo-Christian country, Barbarian, and take evil Pino with you.

I think there is a bigger issue at hand. Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. INB4 the shitstorm/downvotes/mods.

Offensive and hate-filled as his words were, "death threat" is a stretch. He should be fired for this outburst—and he'd damn well better be—but he didn't threaten to kill anyone.

Mark
"Pino asked Khaldi how he and his government could justify providing aid to countries like Turkey with blood money that came from the deaths of Palestinian children and babies."

I loved your whole comment, which was filled with truths and actual dissection of the conversation. The rest are reactionary replies. This is disturbing, knowing that for the most part Kent State University is obviously not teaching critical thought.

Thank you for sharing.

Typical inculcated Muzzle'Em Jooooo-hatred. It's like they're only truly happy when whacking the "other".

Vice-President Neumann: FIRE RANTING AND DANGEROUS LIAR MUSLIM JULIO PINO.

He left the auditorium shouting "Death to Israel?" A death threat? You got to be kidding! This is a PROFESSOR???? HE'S A DANGEROUS RADICALIZED NUTCASE HATE-FILLED MUSLIM.

Pino has no business being a university professor. HE'S A DISGRACE - FIRE HIM!

uLTIMATELY IT IS THE COWARDICE OF THE GUTLESS ADMIN AT KSU THAT ALLOWS THIS FANATIC LUNATIC PROF A SAFE HAVEN. THE MAN IS ON THE FEDS WATCH LIST BUT KSU IS AFRAID OF THEIR OWN SHADOW AND WONT FIRE HIM.

It doesn't seem like making enraged, nonsensical accusations (earthquake aid is tied to unsupported allegations of atrocities?) is a great way to support a cause. But it also doesn't seem like the professor much cares, which is why he ended up looking like a horse's ass.

How can death threats be considered protected free speech? Denying the seriousness of those spoken words is what ordinary people did in 1930s Germany when they denied the seriousness of hateful anti-Jewish speech and heinous anit-Semitic lies. The KSU community and administration should take a determined stand against this hateful speech.

I was personally at the event last night and took what was said and all the actions to heart, by both sides. As a Jewish student on campus, I have seen my share of hate crimes and slander from students, but this was my first experience where a leader, and someone of major influence, such as a tenured professor, has made his opinion so well known and spoken about. Please don't get me wrong, everyone, even Professor Pino, has a right to have an opinion, but the way this was brought about was completely disrespectful and uncalled for from anyone, especially someone in his position. I have read all of the posts previous to this one, and I most agree with the one posted by Jennifer. She has made the very important point that this should not be about the uncalled for actions by one person, but the fact that we should be focused on fixing that so that we do not have to see things like this again. We should most focus on bringing together Jews and Muslims and as Khaldi said "We have so much in common..." One of my close friends is a Muslim and we constantly talk about how to join our two religions and show people a peaceful way to settle issues. If we take away one thing from what has happened, it should be that hate speech and negative connotations only receive negativity in return. We need to find a way to positively talk and express ourselves to create peace. If Pino said said something along the lines of "I do not agree with what you are saying and this is what I feel..." none of this would have happened, and they could have had a peaceful conversation.

I understand the frustration but calling for death to an entire country? disgusting. no way this guy should be allowed to stay but he has tenure so that means he can do pretty much whatever he wants right? awful

It's unfortunate that today the we're talking about the actions of one irrational person which took less that one minute- rather than the message of Ishmael Khaldi- that you can rise above your conditions, that he, a boy growing up in a tent, became an international diplomat, that Israel, which it has its faults gives opportunities to minorities regardless their culture, religion, gender or sexual orientation. I'm saddened that the article and photos gave equal- and some might say preferential treatment to the one person who sought to derail the event. We should be talking about the student who asked 'how can I, as a Muslim, help to build bridges with my Jewish friends?' The issues in the Middle East are always derailed when we spend our time focusing on the extremists and not the many moderate voices looking for solutions in a civil manner.

The professor needs to be fired. I would not want my kids attending that school with him there.

He should be investigated and suspended without pay. If he isn't fired over this, I'll never give another dime to KSU, and tell everyone I know in the Pittsburgh area not to send their kids there.

This from someone who is paid to teach. And what, exactly, is he teaching students who pay tens of thousands of dollars for their education? Hate. Uncivil discourse. To storm out of conversations yelling "Death to ...!"

Pino asked Khaldi how he and his government could justify providing aid to countries like Turkey with blood money that came from the deaths of Palestinian children and babies.

How did Khaldi answer the question? If Khaldi admitted to Pino's assertion and Pino continued the attack that would be one thing.

However I suspect Khaldi smarmed his way out of answering the question. That would irritate me too.

There are several things in this article Khaldi is quoted as saying:

“It is my responsibility to tell you the truth and build relationships.” Thats the 'No one in this room knows the truth but me' thing, an appeal to ignorance(?). It should be noted there's you're truth, you're Governments truth, and neither necessarily have anything to do with the *factual* truth.

It may be the quality of the KSU Stator reporting: Pino ... said “your government killed people” ... , Khaldi said. “It’s a lie.”

No, not really. We readers don't know which particular incident Pino was referring to, off the top of my head I remember Israeli helicopters sending missiles into a bazaar in an attempt to take out a Palestinian leader. Those missiles missed the leader but killed over a score of people just going on with their lives.

“It is not respectful to me here,” Khaldi said.

I get the impression Khaldi is the first to broach the 'respect' issue. This comes under the 'Making an issue of that which you're the instigator, or at least the most guilty'. Unless Khaldi answered the question honestly Khaldi was showing disrespect for Pino's and the audiences intelligence and counting on the audiences ignorance.

I'm wondering, did Khaldi think he could tour major American universities complete with history and world affairs departments and *not* be asked uncomfortable questions? That it would all be chocolate and roses?


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Pino's behavior isn't the most disgusting or inappropriate I have seen from professors and administrations at KSU. Far from it.

It's that those officials have learned to carry on behind closed doors with the only witnesses being their cohorts.

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In closing, I can't condone or condemn Pino's behavior. I just need to imagine what it would be like to be in the room with a diplomat from Saudi Arabia and hear the diplomat deny it was Saudis in the planes on 911. Think that diplomat would have a hard time escaping the room unscathed?

In the least this incident should prompt students to look into the Israeli-Arab issue. Stay away from Fox and MSNBC, read real materials. OTOH stay away from the subject if learning about the U.S. and it's citizenry's complicity in the situation will make you uncomfortable.

You may need you're illusions.

This is what we should expect from tenured radicals. They are so used to speaking without being challenged in the classroom, but can't sit patiently while someone else talks.

Juvenile. Pathetic. Well within the parameters of expected behavior.

Take a look at this. It is all about Pino and how crazy he is. He is tenured by the university...what a mistake

http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2010/08/meet-julio-pino-professor-of-history-at.html

This is absolutely disgusting. There is no way this man should be employed by the university for one second longer. I thought it was ridiculous that they kept him on after it came to light that he was posting on a jihadist blog, but this is 1,000 times worse. He called for the extermination of an entire country during a university-sanctioned speech on campus. He is an embarrassment to the university, and his views have no place there.

Imagine if a non-Muslim had shouted, "Death to Iran" during a speech at the university. He would have been fired faster than Lefton could make excuses for him. This is hateful speech that calls for violence. Kent State needs to take immediate action and make it clear that this kind of speech from a professor is simply not acceptable.

He must be tenure. That is the only way he can still be here.

I feel embarrassed by his behavior and that my name and all of ours will be associated with the same university

Sad the history department here incredible this will undoubtedly be stain on the dept.

Highly inappropriate

In the 90's I had one of Pino's history classes and I felt like he was one of the best in that dept. It is sad to see how radical he has become. He has even radically changed his look. Another example of what can happen when someone goes too far and radicalizes their beliefs. A sad representation for all the good that KSU tries to put forth. They have done much to make a statement with all the building and remodeling. Not to mention all the excellent commercials they are running with previous and famous grads.

He went about it in the wrong way, but he was still wrong. Israel has always held a strong stance of aiding civilians in times of need, but holding firm against oppressive politicians and governments. Look back at every major conflict and every major humanitarian effort of the last 50 years.

He's right, but went about it in the wrong way.

This man is a disgrace to the university. How could we let someone like this be a part of our community?